Josh Duggar Admits Molestation of 5 Juveniles - Part 6

[SassyPants]

I'm assuming that the Duggars are hoping and praying that most people/fans have not seen the actual police report. There is still no reference at all to some of the victims being related to Josh....not in any of the Duggars' statements or in the People article.

If they're trying to protect the victims, it sure flies in the face that all is forgiven by God's good graces and that forgiveness is key.

[lascuba]

It depends on whether it was a federal or state conviction, but yes, in the experience of being married to someone who investigated kiddie porn for a decade the charge is for individuals. And if it is federal only for images that can be identified as actual children. If they can't identify he victim, they may not be able to get a conviction because it could be (damn it can't think of the acronym) digitally created. Of course this has now been many years ago, so YMMV today.

(A huge amount of the child porn that people get charged with are the same images. Possession versus creation is different too)

OT: This reminds me of an article by a victim of childhood sexual abuse. She said the same thing--the most porn depict the same victims. She was often used for child porn and said that as per federal policy, she's contacted by (I think) the FBI every time they come across images of her, and so many years later she's still contacted regularly.

[Yoshimi]

Doesn't Derick have a FT job at WM?

Paternity or personal leave of absence? It's just pure speculation but maybe Derick could use the excuse that all the media distractions right now isn't good for his family and he needs some time off to take care of his wife and newborn.

[treemom]

It depends on whether it was a federal or state conviction, but yes, in the experience of being married to someone who investigated kiddie porn for a decade the charge is for individuals. And if it is federal only for images that can be identified as actual children. If they can't identify he victim, they may not be able to get a conviction because it could be (damn it can't think of the acronym) digitally created. Of course this has now been many years ago, so YMMV today.

(A huge amount of the child porn that people get charged with are the same images. Possession versus creation is different too)

OT: This reminds me of an article by a victim of childhood sexual abuse. She said the same thing--the most porn depict the same victims. She was often used for child porn and said that as per federal policy, she's contacted by (I think) the FBI every time they come across images of her, and so many years later she's still contacted regularly.

[halcionne]

Don't know if this is related but Derick has a lot of friends and relatives in the Oklahoma area. And I know JD has flown Derick and Jill to OK in the past . Is it possible that the Dillards wanted to get away from all the media frenzy back home and spend some time with Derick's extended family? I also believe one of Derick's cousins is getting married pretty soon, maybe they arrived a few days early for the wedding?

They could be in OK for any number of reasons. IBLP has a lot of stuff there (not sure if they are in Tulsa, though). And Josiah is a student pilot now, so sometimes I wonder if the short trips are him getting some practice in.

The plane seats four and yes, it seems that JD flew the Dillards to a wedding in Houston a couple of weeks ago. But with everyone off social media it's impossible to try to guess with any accuracy who flew or why.

[hennypenny]

So...if you are wanting to talk about this mass coverup on the politicians part (Hester, Woods, and Huckleberry) you might want to find out who the lawyers/judge/police officials were for that 2007 case.

[lascuba]

One of the reasons I think the Kellers knew while Jim Bob lied to the police officer is, despite everything, I do think JB really believes a lot Gothard shit and that would mean he would need to be honest with the Kellers. Honesty about past sexual problems is supposed to be brought up before a courtship began. JB also knew that the courtship would be filmed for television and there is no way he would want the Kellers to find out the truth about what happened and call off the courtship because they were lied to. Do I think they sat down and said "Josh molested children and four were his sisters."? No. But I do think that he probably had to describe what happened(without using the word molest) and confess to the Kellers right from the beginning.

I agree. That's why I think the Keller's knew all...Jim Bob and Michelle truly believe in Gothard's schtick. I don't think they would have confided even in church elders if they didn't--the would have kept it all to themselves otherwise.

[halcionne]

Doesn't Derick have a FT job at WM?

With the most flexible flex time ever, apparently.

[SassyPants]

With the most flexible flex time ever, apparently.

Especially considering this all started last year when he was a brand new, probationary employee.

[Yoshimi]

My apologies if this was reposted somewhere already...

Yesterday we heard reports that the Duggars were looking at hiring a crisis manager. Well the PR firm they were talking with just announced that they DECLINED to take on the Duggars!! Here's the story:

http://realmrhousewife.com/2015/05/27/e ... not-hired/

Although an insider close to the Duggar family had informed us that the Duggars had hired Hunter Frederick and Associates for PR and crisis management, Hunter Frederick has gone on record with us to confirm that the Duggar family was not ultimately able to use his services.

“It was a no for us to work with them,†Frederick confirmed exclusively to us.

“The needs we need for us to take someone on as a client were not met,†Frederick continued.

What needs did he specifically refer to?

He informed us that, “I can’t go into specifics, but some examples of what we need from our clients are: a willingness to admit you messed up, being humble about the situation, transparency with us, meeting our retainer fee, willingness to take a proper and just punishment both in the law and or court of public opinion, etc.â€

“Due to an inability to garner all we needed from the family- without me providing specific examples- we will not be working with them,†Frederick wrapped with telling us.

This truly is a shame, as the Duggars- and, specifically, Josh Duggar– could really use one.

[halcionne]

So...if you are wanting to talk about this mass coverup on the politicians part (Hester, Woods, and Huckleberry) you might want to find out who the lawyers/judge/police officials were for that 2007 case.

I just went back to the site mentioned somewhere earlier (http://esearch.co.washington.ar.us/exte ... kName.aspx) and the "Josh (minor)" case from April 1997 is no longer visible. I had clicked on it a day or so ago, but it didn't provide any details anyway, iirc.

[lascuba]

If they already know it's an image of her from a previous investigation they don't have to contact her. There are images from the 50s and 60s that were used a lot.

It's fucked up. My now teenager was an infant, toddler, and early elementary when my husband was doing this. My husband is not a paranoid individual and is a calm and collected dude (the opposite of me). He was disturbed and quite worried about a lot of things when our son was young.

It was disturbing and 80% of his job for a decade. He was glad when he went private sector. It was really hard on him.

I can imagine. My relatives who are social workers are hyper vigilant with their kids. They all teach their kids the proper names for all body parts as soon as they start talking and make sure they understand what can't be touched. They also look pretty much everyone their kids will spend time with in the states' databases.

[halcionne]

My apologies if this was reposted somewhere already...

Yesterday we heard reports that the Duggars were looking at hiring a crisis manager. Well the PR firm they were talking with just announced that they DECLINED to take on the Duggars!! Here's the story:

http://realmrhousewife.com/2015/05/27/e ... not-hired/

What is that Mr. Housewife site, anyway? I was wondering if it was legit at all. Frederick is the biggest goofball to ever manage a crisis, if you ask me.

[lascuba]

My apologies if this was reposted somewhere already...

Yesterday we heard reports that the Duggars were looking at hiring a crisis manager. Well the PR firm they were talking with just announced that they DECLINED to take on the Duggars!! Here's the story:

http://realmrhousewife.com/2015/05/27/e ... not-hired/

Oh, WOW. It's incredibly damning that a crisis manager won't take you on. I can well imagine that the Duggars refused to admit wrong-doing and accept any kind of punishment. I'm also eyeing the transparency bit. I'd guess the firm insisted on copies of all police and court documents as well as the videos taken by police, so they could know exactly what happened and make plans if any more details came out.

[theinvisiblegirl]

What is that Mr. Housewife site, anyway? I was wondering if it was legit at all. Frederick is the biggest goofball to ever manage a crisis, if you ask me.

Imo, if even the shittiest/under qualified of crisis managers won't take you on, then you know you have a problem.

[purposed2015]

My apologies if this was reposted somewhere already...

Yesterday we heard reports that the Duggars were looking at hiring a crisis manager. Well the PR firm they were talking with just announced that they DECLINED to take on the Duggars!! Here's the story:

http://realmrhousewife.com/2015/05/27/e ... not-hired/

They have GOD who else would they really need ?

Most likely it was the retainer and they probably wanted one (or more) of the kiddos to learn from the professional so they could add "crisis manager" to list of their credentials.

[hennypenny]

I just went back to the site mentioned somewhere earlier (http://esearch.co.washington.ar.us/exte ... kName.aspx) and the "Josh (minor)" case from April 1997 is no longer visible. I had clicked on it a day or so ago, but it didn't provide any details anyway, iirc.

Did you happen to see who the lawyers/judge?

[ApologistsBeDamned]

With the most flexible flex time ever, apparently.

Walmart home office clears out around 4:30. Granted they expect you to be there pretty early but it gives you the rest of the day after 4:30.

So while he is full time it is possible he appears to be off when he really isn't as he already is home for the day.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

Re: Anna leaving DC with only a few weeks before her delivery. I don't think her midwife would drop her over what's come out. If anything--and because apparently not stating this explicitly means I'm claiming it as fact, JUST SPECULATION!--she might have refused to allow the birth to be filmed. I think until TLC makes a final decision they're continuing on as usual. TLC and the Duggars probably still have hope that all this will blow over, so they want to get the birth on tape.

TLC won't be filming that. There's no way they can bring back 19KAC with Josh. And, that would have been one of the first things they asked before this came out.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

Doesn't Derick have a FT job at WM?

We don't know what that job is beyond he has it and it involves accounting. He could easily be able/allowed to work from home as an accountant.

[SassyPants]

We don't know what that job is beyond he has it and it involves accounting. He could easily be able/allowed to work from home as an accountant.

Wasn't Jill filmed driving him back and forth to worK? I had also heard that she brought him lunch each day.

[purposed2015]

IMO, They knew something was going to happen when the Erica Hill special was filmed. Even though they joked around a bit, there was an undercurrent that something wasn't right. It was a wrap up of the season, but had more of a final (forever) episode feel to it.

[SassyPants]

IMO, They knew something was going to happen when the Erica Hill special was filmed. Even though they joked around a bit, there was an undercurrent that something wasn't right. It was a wrap up of the season, but had more of a final (forever) episode feel to it.

I attempted to watch that episode on Youtube today- I had to turn if off 6 minutes in.

ETA- the Dilly's sure have been MIA, a lot.

[halcionne]

Did you happen to see who the lawyers/judge?

I don't think it said. It didn't seem to say anything that the main page didn't say. Here's a screenshot of another case--a Duggar real estate deal (last one on the page). There's a little, but not much, more detail on the detail page.

http://imgur.com/143tOrf

http://imgur.com/JlSMAvX

[ShadowyOne]

Imo, if even the shittiest/under qualified of crisis managers won't take you on, then you know you have a problem.

Until I see this crisis manager thing confirmed by a bigger/more reputable source, I'm taking this whole piece of the story with a bucket of salt. The site that originally leaked that guy's name, and now his disavowal of the Duggars is the only place to have that info, and hasn't broken any other significant pieces of the story. I'm on board with the theory that this young, inexperienced (and seemingly very indiscriminate with his social media) guy spread the thing himself to inflate his reputation. JMHO, think what you will.